Against Interpretation

Listen to New Yorker writer Naomi Fry and Pace’s chief curator Oliver Shultz engage in a wide-ranging conversation organized in concert with Friedrich Kunath's exhibition Aimless Love at our New York gallery in December 2025.

Rejecting the need to locate meaning in art, this discussion explores music, film, and popular culture, and how these subjects connect to experiences and feelings of selfhood, itinerance, longing, and the sublime. The conversation also coincided with the publication of Friedrich Kunath: The Grand Tour, a new monograph from Phaidon/Monacelli, which includes an essay by Fry.